Comments on: Integral vs. Evolutionary: What’s the Difference?

By: Jody Paterson

Jody Paterson — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:39:42 +0000

Hi Maria,

Did you want to purchase the MP3 audio of the Terry Patten and Chris Parish dialogue?

This is still possible. Please let me know and I can set up a new link for you.

Regards,

Jody

By: Annica

Annica — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:53:48 +0000

Hi Carol, Hi David,
@Davie: the link works – great!
@Carol: The integral retreat in Höör (south of Sweden) had 26 attendees. Many of whom were contributing with presentations of their own inquiry / work applying an integral perspective, thinking and practice to various fields of life. We were all staying on site from Thursday afternoon til Sunday afternoon so we had a lot of time together. We had a very full schedule of presentations and activities. Various models and topics were touched upon: gender issues, who/what is God?, MHC – Model of Hiearchical Complexity, Conscious Seeing (though the cameralens), integral applications i developing business etc.
The presentations were great, everyone learnt a lot. Beyond the actual transmission of knowledge it was great to see how passionate everyone is about the integral worldview. There was a joy of coming together in such a sigificant number – a sense of a movement starting was very tangible. It was just the beginning.
I have been pondering on your call for more reflection on what was actually happening. I have now listened to the dialogue between Chris and Terry and it helps clarifying some of my own experience of the “retreat”. I have been finding out more about the evolutionary worldview and the integral worldview since then.
The experience I had on the retreat was one of having my own thought-patterns and behavior becoming an object through the presentations that were made. I found it very helpful to see some models representing relations to life/problemsolving at various levels of complexity. I found that these gave a sense of the developmental nature of our human nature that was beyond, or not, pshychological. I really liked that. There was a scientific, non-sentimental touch to the retreat that I really appreciated. My experience was one of being a Christmas tree, that suddenly got lights and decoration on it – and realized that, as a Christmas tree, that is actually part of my purpose.
It was/ is making my perspective more full, and “closer to home” – and at the same time that nagging question was constantly there: what is the difference between the evoltionary and integral perspective?
And yes, the hiearchy of values seems to be it: to place evolution FIRST does change the approach and outcome to just about everything. To but inclusion first – gives another result that can be interesting and valuable, but is different.
It was interesting to see how difficult this was to spot at the time. This points to how new both of these worldviews are. I felt really streched by the integral worldview – as you say in your blog; intellectually – and when I think of how streched I also am by the evolutionary worldview; existentially, I realize that both of these are needed, and that there is A LOT TO DO!!!!

By: David Leckenby

David Leckenby — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:46:11 +0000

Hi Guys,
The last link for purchase expired, so if anyone wants to purchase this talk a new link is now up…

http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=gb_london&query=detail&event=399152&interface=

Thanks,
David

By: Carol Raphael

Carol Raphael — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:33:11 +0000

Thanks for your commets, Annica. Now I’m intrigued…to learn more about the first-ever integral weekend in Sweden. Can you tell us something about the synthesis you observed and give some details about the weekend? It would be great to take our understanding even further!

By: Annica

Annica — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:19 +0000

One more thing: this explains why I – as a convinced, evolutionarily inspiered individual – found it so inspiering to attend an “integral week-end” (the first ever in Sweden). I found that something just “jelled” or “fell into place”: maybe the friction that you describe in your blog generated a sythesis? In any case, it was a very satisfying week-end that gave a taste for more.

By: Annica

Annica — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:23:32 +0000

Sounds like a great discussion. Missed it, but your blog clarifies the essence of the difference between the two worldviews.
As I understand you blog, the integral worldview applies a new (higher?) way of using the mind to look at the world and our experience as/in/of it.
The Evolutionary Worldview also uses the mind but the the source of attention is somewhere else – in another part of the interest – that gets turned on by hearing about evolution/that is evolution.
I like this blog because it is not that one perspective is right and the other wrong, but they focus on different parts of us – how mindblowing to think that through Chris Parish’s and Terry Patten’s dialogue the new integrated, evolutionarily inspiered consciousness was created – as they spoke!!!

By: David Leckenby

David Leckenby — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:58:51 +0000

Great Kim yes – you can purchase and download the audio from this link here:-

http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=gb_london&query=detail&event=392805&interface=

By: Kim S.

Kim S. — Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:56:01 +0000

Fascinating! I wonder if the full audio would be available for purchase download?

By: patrick

patrick — Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:40:36 +0000

Thanks Carol! A great summary of what was a fascinating and illuminating dialogue. Glad to hear Terry & Chris are going to continue this much needed discussion. They touched on many important issues which need more time to be explored fully and I know a lot of people are looking forward to the next dialogue.